For this past year, a desire to "return to normal" has been shared by nearly all of us. But the COVID pandemic and Black Lived Matter protests revealed that a "return to normal" may not necessarily be the best option. On this episode of Democracy Nerd, host Jefferson Smith speaks with Philip Clayton, president of the Institute for Ecological Civilization and co-editor of "The New Possible: Visions of a World Beyond Crisis," about the need to seize the current opportunity to build a better future instead of returning to an unsustainable "normal."
